Don't get started with nazis. If you want to talk about connections to nazis, follow this link.Originally Posted by WhiteWidow
The Bush family is chock full of nazi racist pricks.
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Don't get started with nazis. If you want to talk about connections to nazis, follow this link.
The Bush family is chock full of nazi racist pricks.
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Dude, I'm not talking about connections to Nazis, look for yourself, these guys were and are Nazis.
I'm not even making an argument for/against/about Bush or the US, I'm simply trying to point out the scum that Hezbollah is.
End of line.
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They may be scum, but they're duly and democratically elected scum. They've done more to rebuild Lebanon than anyone else, mostly because no-one else in the country had as much cash.
The problem is it's now acceptable, per dumbya's lead, to solve every problem by military force. Damn the diplomacy.
BTW, dumbya and his group were, and still are, nazis. Fascist assholes.
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Fascists, perhaps. That's your opinion. I very much doubt though, that the current US administration has any political affiliation with the Third Reich. Certain word, Nazi for one, should not be thrown around so cavalierly in my opinion. I'm not real goodwith US politics, following all the BS in my own country is hard enough, but I'm pretty sure you can make a point without throwing those kind of words around. While I don't agree with everything the American government does, I don't see them lining up homosexuals and Jews to the gas chambers. A little civility in your arguments, from all sides, is all I ask.
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Not that they don't want to, they just haven't had enough time yet.
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Well, SVDM can say what he wants, but as long as things are this heated in the Politics forum, I won't be replying to any of this posts nor reading them as there is no discussing this with him, his mind appears to be made up and he has quite a bit of anger to get off his chest.
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pot,meet kettle...kettle,meet pot...
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Then I volunteer you to go over and try and use any kind of logical reasoning with someone like Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.
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Just an observation here. Have you noticed that the mainstream news media has dropped the importance of Iraq since Israel started in on Lebanon. Kind of drives home the fickleness of the news media, doesn't it? I haven't heard word one about Iraq in over a week. Makes you wonder who's driving foreign policy and public opinion.
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I won't claim to know much about foreign policy, but I've never doubted that the media controls public opinion. Even being able to acknowledge that fact I still find myself getting caught up in whatever the TV wants me to care about today. They've had a lot of practice.
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It’s not what he can do now, or could have done, to stabilize those areas, he’s already screwed the pooch on this one, but rather what he’s done to further de-stabilize them.
Middle East: All of the terrorist groups in the area have been emboldened by the “blueprint” to a successful campaign against the mighty U.S. Military, that’s being played out in Iraq. This is directly related to the lack of planning, and in fact, dumbya’s refusal to listen to advisors, like Gen. Shinseki et. al, who described exactly the scenario being played out now. This is where other POTUS’s, even Bush 1, knew their limitations. They were able to use diplomacy, and measured military force, to maintain the balance, however tenuous.
North Korea: Crazy as Kim Jong is, even he realizes that, with the U.S. bogged down both militarily and economically in the Middle East, his rope has suddenly loosened considerably. Couple that with the International sentiment towards the U.S. at present, and this admins complete diplomatic inadequacy, and you’ve removed all real fear of any serious reprisals for his actions.
I never said he didn’t stabilize the situations in the Middle East and North Korea, I said he further de-stabilized them. Is that specific enough?
Let me see, where do I start?
How about the use of fear mongoring to gain support and power, and to remove certain Constitutional Rights? The Nazis used fear of the Communists, or alleged terrorist acts by them which were more likely perpetrated by the Nazis themselves, in the late ‘20’s and early ‘30’s to gain control of the German Government, and then began to remove civil rights using the “it’s necessary to provide protection” argument.
Now, replace communist with Al Qeada, and the fear mongering and excuses are all to familiar.
Or, how about how the corporatists in Germany used the extremists, ie. The Nazis, to rise to power? Seems an awful lot like the corporatists in the U.S. using the extremists, ie. The religious right whackos, to gain control of all three branches of the U.S. Government.
Now, do I really think the idiots in charge of the U.S. right now are as bad as the Nazis in Germany? No, not yet. But, if things continue as they are, they could get pretty effing bad. The neocons are all about fear. Fear of terrorists, the fear of god, the fear of gays, and the list could go on and on.
A question for any and all conservatives, neocons, republicans, whatever: Do you really live in such fear that you willingly give up your Rights, as stated in the Constitution, in exchange for whatever little protection you think you might get from their forfeiture?
I ask this because it seems to me that the Founders and Creators of that Constitution, those men who risked their lives to establish this Country as a haven of freedom, lived in a hell of a lot more danger than anyone living in this Country now. If they could possibly view the state things are in now, I believe they would be in utter disgust as to what complete pussies the citizens here have become. “Give me liberty, or give me death”, has been replaced with an irrational fear of the improbable.
The ineptitude and corruption of the present admin, and especially the present POTUS, is glaringly obvious to all who choose to view the facts. If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.
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Do Independents get to referee?
We have two fouls on the play. Illegal use of Nazi links on the conservatives AND on the liberals. The penalties offset, repeat the down.
Before WWII, the US had a policy of non-involvement in European affairs. This created very strange relationships with Nazi Germany. Up until the invasion of Poland, everything was cool with Germany. Even their invasions of France and Czech were shrugged off as taking what was theirs.
Even after Poland was invaded, the US wasn't terribly interested in the war in Europe. Even when the US leadership was starting to get worried, US businesses were operating in Germany.
Imagine if...
Israel currently occupies part of Palestine and might invade Lebanon. What if they decide to take advantage of the situation and just occupy Palestine and the Moslem parts of Lebanon? The US would probably shrug that off. The UN might write a strongly-worded letter, but I doubt there would be any sort of sanctions placed on Israel.
Certainly, US companies would be free to do business with Israel and no one would shun them for doing so. It would be business as usual.
But what if Israel then decided they were sick of this crap and invaded Saudi Arabia or Jordan or the United Arab Emirates or something? That would start raising eyebrows. A lot of companies would have to come to the reality of dealing with Israel. Can we continue to sell them arms? Food? Toasters? Can US companies employ their software developers? Can we evacuate a programmer that also worked on Israeli military software?
That's pretty much what US companies faced at the onset of what would become WWII.
(Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting the Israeli government would do such a thing; they're just an easy example)
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A common mudslinging tactic is to curse those or their anscestors. for doing something before it was considered illegal or immoral
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