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They may be scum, but they're duly and democratically elected scum. They've done more to rebuild Lebanon than anyone else, mostly because no-one else in the country had as much cash.Originally Posted by WhiteWidow
The problem is it's now acceptable, per dumbya's lead, to solve every problem by military force. Damn the diplomacy.
BTW, dumbya and his group were, and still are, nazis. Fascist assholes.
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Fascists, perhaps. That's your opinion. I very much doubt though, that the current US administration has any political affiliation with the Third Reich. Certain word, Nazi for one, should not be thrown around so cavalierly in my opinion. I'm not real goodwith US politics, following all the BS in my own country is hard enough, but I'm pretty sure you can make a point without throwing those kind of words around. While I don't agree with everything the American government does, I don't see them lining up homosexuals and Jews to the gas chambers. A little civility in your arguments, from all sides, is all I ask.
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Not that they don't want to, they just haven't had enough time yet.
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Well, SVDM can say what he wants, but as long as things are this heated in the Politics forum, I won't be replying to any of this posts nor reading them as there is no discussing this with him, his mind appears to be made up and he has quite a bit of anger to get off his chest.
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pot,meet kettle...kettle,meet pot...
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Then I volunteer you to go over and try and use any kind of logical reasoning with someone like Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.
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Just an observation here. Have you noticed that the mainstream news media has dropped the importance of Iraq since Israel started in on Lebanon. Kind of drives home the fickleness of the news media, doesn't it? I haven't heard word one about Iraq in over a week. Makes you wonder who's driving foreign policy and public opinion.
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I won't claim to know much about foreign policy, but I've never doubted that the media controls public opinion. Even being able to acknowledge that fact I still find myself getting caught up in whatever the TV wants me to care about today. They've had a lot of practice.
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It’s not what he can do now, or could have done, to stabilize those areas, he’s already screwed the pooch on this one, but rather what he’s done to further de-stabilize them.
Middle East: All of the terrorist groups in the area have been emboldened by the “blueprint” to a successful campaign against the mighty U.S. Military, that’s being played out in Iraq. This is directly related to the lack of planning, and in fact, dumbya’s refusal to listen to advisors, like Gen. Shinseki et. al, who described exactly the scenario being played out now. This is where other POTUS’s, even Bush 1, knew their limitations. They were able to use diplomacy, and measured military force, to maintain the balance, however tenuous.
North Korea: Crazy as Kim Jong is, even he realizes that, with the U.S. bogged down both militarily and economically in the Middle East, his rope has suddenly loosened considerably. Couple that with the International sentiment towards the U.S. at present, and this admins complete diplomatic inadequacy, and you’ve removed all real fear of any serious reprisals for his actions.
I never said he didn’t stabilize the situations in the Middle East and North Korea, I said he further de-stabilized them. Is that specific enough?
Let me see, where do I start?
How about the use of fear mongoring to gain support and power, and to remove certain Constitutional Rights? The Nazis used fear of the Communists, or alleged terrorist acts by them which were more likely perpetrated by the Nazis themselves, in the late ‘20’s and early ‘30’s to gain control of the German Government, and then began to remove civil rights using the “it’s necessary to provide protection” argument.
Now, replace communist with Al Qeada, and the fear mongering and excuses are all to familiar.
Or, how about how the corporatists in Germany used the extremists, ie. The Nazis, to rise to power? Seems an awful lot like the corporatists in the U.S. using the extremists, ie. The religious right whackos, to gain control of all three branches of the U.S. Government.
Now, do I really think the idiots in charge of the U.S. right now are as bad as the Nazis in Germany? No, not yet. But, if things continue as they are, they could get pretty effing bad. The neocons are all about fear. Fear of terrorists, the fear of god, the fear of gays, and the list could go on and on.
A question for any and all conservatives, neocons, republicans, whatever: Do you really live in such fear that you willingly give up your Rights, as stated in the Constitution, in exchange for whatever little protection you think you might get from their forfeiture?
I ask this because it seems to me that the Founders and Creators of that Constitution, those men who risked their lives to establish this Country as a haven of freedom, lived in a hell of a lot more danger than anyone living in this Country now. If they could possibly view the state things are in now, I believe they would be in utter disgust as to what complete pussies the citizens here have become. “Give me liberty, or give me death”, has been replaced with an irrational fear of the improbable.
The ineptitude and corruption of the present admin, and especially the present POTUS, is glaringly obvious to all who choose to view the facts. If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.
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If you seriously think you live under a Nazi regime, then you have obviously led a very easy and sheltered life, and probably haven't had to overcome any kind of real challenges in life other than trying to figure out how to not take responsibility for your own actions.
Do you even know what the hell a Nazi is? I dare you to go up to a Holocaust survivor, or a POW survivor and try to explain to them how your life right now is just as bad as their was while they were in Nazi Germany.
You don't have to like this guy, a lot of people don't, But to trivialize all the victims of one of history's greatest horrors by saying you've got it just as bad, is ridiculous. Another good read: "Combine 13," by Clifford Hopewell (my grandfather).
Bush may suck, but he is not a Nazi, and you don't have it that bad.
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Way to go WW...It's good to see a young guy thinking. That sums up the Nazi thing in a nutshell.
As far as Bush making things worse in the Middle East and Korea...The truth is easy to see. Anything Bush might have done is small in what they have done to themselves and the rest of the world. I personally think Bush is doing well in his policy with these thugs.
9-11 was a wakeup call to America and the Western World. The countries that would sponser or condone this act must be made to realize we will not accept their actions. If it takes bugging a few phones or monitoring some bank transactions of people that are associated with terrorists...Well lets do it. Most of these guys are not American citizens and have no Constitutional rights. The Constitution was drafted for American citizens...Not some terrorist group. I don't think the government has any intrest in DVM's or my affairs.
My problem with Bush is his domestic policy. He seems unable to get the lid on problems at home...Gas prices, crime, ect...Something Democrats can't seem to get right either.
If big leg Clinton is all the demos can field this comming election...Well DVM...I won't be voting Democratic. I bet she would try to socialize pet health care.
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I happen to have known several survivors of the Holocaust, and ALL of them would be very nervous right now seeing the ease at which this Countries "citizens" give up their rights, both young punks who don't know better, and old farts who should.
So, before I'll take a lecture about how rough life can be from you, you'd better grow up enough to at least be in long pants.
Daddy put you through school?
If you really think he's doing a good job, well, then you really haven't been paying attention. Nothing anyone else can do about that.
But, it is really disgusting to see so many people willing to give up ANY rights for ANY reason, especially the pack of bullshit lies this bunch of shitstains have concocted.
Ask someone who was in Germany in the late '20's to early '30's, if it was no big deal to give up a few rights, so they could be "safer". It's a slippery slope, and we've already started down it. And how do you really know what interests them? Hell, they arrest people for having anti-dumbya bumper stickers on their cars. What's next? Do you really know?
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