Middle east outcome

[SmokinDVM]

Yeah, I'd think that's probably illegal and would probably result in some temporary detainment and maybe a fine. A protester should understand this and accept responsibility for the act.

Similarly, the famous Boston Tea Party was quite illegal and the Sons of Liberty would have had to face severe punishment if they were arrested. I imagine most of those protesters would have accepted the responsibility for their actions (even if they were to be hanged).


That could even be your protest. A lot of protesters protest by performing an illegal act. However, you shouldn't be shocked when you're arrested. Sometimes being a martyr helps your cause.


I don't feel there was more of a terror threat on Sept. 12 than the was on Sept. 10.
I don't feel the threat of terrorism should change my life, my rights, or my liberties.
I feel that if things do change, that the terrorists have won.

I believe in the New Hampshire motto: "Life Free or Die". I believe we often forget that second half. To be free means to have some degree of danger. If we hide indoors or allow our government carte blanc to spy on us, we may be safe, but we will certainly not be free. If we choose to be free, we must accept that we will never be safe.

A couple weeks ago in India, the day after several trains were bombed during rush hour, people were piling on to the trains to go to work. BBC interviewed one of them and his response was quite simple: life goes on as it did before; we will not allow terrorists to make us afraid. To me, that's courage.

They should be arrested, IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. I doubt most of these people were.

To the rest of your post, and especially the NH motto

[ggiese]

They should be arrested, IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL. I doubt most of these people were.

That would imply you don't know, "doubting" most of these people were... I wouldn't want to bank on it. That's an awfully dangerous limb to be hanging out on...

[SmokinDVM]

That would imply you don't know, "doubting" most of these people were... I wouldn't want to bank on it. That's an awfully dangerous limb to be hanging out on...

OK, how about this...

All eye-witness accounts of the incidents described NO ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. LEO gets involved simply because they either personally don't like the people, or have been told to aggressively suppress them.
Either way, they should get some extra jack-boot wax out of the deal, if nothing else.

[Kenyth]

If they did nothing illegal, broke no ordnance, and were arrested or detained anyway, let them take it to court.

[SmokinDVM]

If they did nothing illegal, broke no ordnance, and were arrested or detained anyway, let them take it to court.

I sure hope they don't get an "activist" judge.

[cigarsarge]

It seems to liberalism is just an attempt to make reckless or bad behavior accepable and to use the constitution as they see fit.

Barry...The typical liberal... Reminds me of a small child that gets caught misbehaving and will say or do anything to justify what he has done.

cigar no baka is dead on in his comment about Barry. Barry is more interested in being arrogant than trying to get his point across...In reality he has no point...Only hostility toward anyone that chooses to debate him.

[SmokinDVM]

It seems to liberalism is just an attempt to make reckless or bad behavior accepable and to use the constitution as they see fit.

Barry...The typical liberal... Reminds me of a small child that gets caught misbehaving and will say or do anything to justify what he has done.

cigar no baka is dead on in his comment about Barry. Barry is more interested in being arrogant than trying to get his point across...In reality he has no point...Only hostility toward anyone that chooses to debate him.

Talk about childish.

Typical neocon. When you can't think of any more idiotic rationalizations for stupid actions, you cry "whiney liberal", or arrogant, or you whine how the liberals just hate all the time. BULLSHIT!

The childish, whiney, thin skinned babies are the neocons. Examples provided above.

[cigar no baka]

It seems to liberalism is just an attempt to make reckless or bad behavior accepable and to use the constitution as they see fit.

Barry...The typical liberal... Reminds me of a small child that gets caught misbehaving and will say or do anything to justify what he has done.

cigar no baka is dead on in his comment about Barry. Barry is more interested in being arrogant than trying to get his point across...In reality he has no point...Only hostility toward anyone that chooses to debate him.

Amen brother, amen!!

[SuperChuck]

I wish I could figure out what liberalism and conservatism are.

I consider myself pretty liberal. To me, that means I'm concerned with the rights of people and I'm open to new ideas. By my definition, I see a lot of republicans as liberal. There are many republicans I admire and some I've voted for.

I actually enjoy a balanced government. I like to see a Congress majority of one party and a President from the other.

Well, anyway. Does anyone have a good definition of liberalism and conservativism that doesn't involve "liberals are crybaby pantywaists" or "conservatives are nazi jackasses"?

[Kenyth]

I sure hope they don't get an "activist" judge.

It's quite possible they'll get a biased judge. There's risk with any court action. I lost custody of my son in part to a judge's bias. It doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and give up before you start. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes, it's regardless of who is actually right to begin with. You fight the good fight, you do your best, and you take your lumps in stride.

I'm not saying protestors don't get biased treatment. I'm saying that they get biased treatment regardless of the VIP or what party he belongs to. Protestors have never been, nor ever will be, a welcome bunch. Local officials see them as an embarrassment and nusiance. Trouble follows protestors like flies follow shit. You can't reasonably expect protestors to be welcomed with open arms. The best you can hope for is that they'll be tolerated. I don't think this will change radically anytime soon. I'm of the opinion that public protests have very little impact on the issue at hand in modern society anyway. It's much better and more productive to get involved with a respected interest group that works with the system and has a chance of making a difference.

[bigpoppapuff]

baka seems to be spewing shit...with every post...but he's too much of an asshole for me to put on ignore...ken.i'm surprised that you're putting barry on ignore...can't stand the truth,huh??....

[SmokinDVM]

It's quite possible they'll get a biased judge. There's risk with any court action. I lost custody of my son in part to a judge's bias. It doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and give up before you start. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes, it's regardless of who is actually right to begin with. You fight the good fight, you do your best, and you take your lumps in stride.

I'm not saying protestors don't get biased treatment. I'm saying that they get biased treatment regardless of the VIP or what party he belongs to. Protestors have never been, nor ever will be, a welcome bunch. Local officials see them as an embarrassment and nusiance. Trouble follows protestors like flies follow shit. You can't reasonably expect protestors to be welcomed with open arms. The best you can hope for is that they'll be tolerated. I don't think this will change radically anytime soon. I'm of the opinion that public protests have very little impact on the issue at hand in modern society anyway. It's much better and more productive to get involved with a respected interest group that works with the system and has a chance of making a difference.

Nixon started the trend of keeping the protestors out of sight, and mind. Other POTUS's also followed suit. This particular admin has taken it too far. They have dramatically stepped up the degree of violations perpetrated on peaceful protestors. They'll do anything to keep dumbya in his little fantasy world bubble.

My comment about the activist judges was a joke BTW. Both sides label judges as activist, whenever they rule against them, regardless of how correct the ruling may have been.