Muslim Democracies in the Mid-East

[hoodere]

Now are you talking before, or after, Iran's original democracy with its lawfully elected head of state that the U.S.A. deposed and installed the puppet Shah who was malleable to the U.S. will for oil?




-W.

Point well taken, we really did put the screws to-em in 1953, as we did in Guatamala about the same time, and Chile later. However I was referring to the puported "democracy" established after the Islamic Revolution.
I do wonder what Iran would be like today if the democracy they had still existed today. So much for nation making.

[jiaguy]

I heard a fomer Bush analyst say: "Iran does not want its Government but its does not want the US to interfere even more." I was surprised...at his analysis, I'd have though he'd wanted to institue the draft and liberate Iran too.

But I think Iraq would be alot better if it split itself like Yugoslavia did. It was one 'd up place now its got more check points than the west bank but at least its making progress. Let there be a Kurdistan, and a nation for Shia and Sunni, they could form a federation of Former Iraqi states or something.

[Monk]

I heard a fomer Bush analyst say: "Iran does not want its Government but its does not want the US to interfere even more."

Hmm perhaps an analyst that might actually understand the nuances of the region. This is actually the feelings of many Middle Eastern States. The thing that people in the west fail to percieve is that "forcing" democracy on the region will never work. They don't like people meddling in their personal business. They are also keenly aware that the U.S. is only interested in the oil and democracy makes a good excuse. They resent that, and this is a region with a long history of "an eye for an eye". The region is in many ways very young in the context of the "modern world".

Saudi Arabia was a bunch of tribes just over 100 years ago. I mean seriously, the cultures there haveuch a completely different history to the west that people over here just don't get it. There is a rich history as well as a bloody one in that region and all of it combined makes it very different to our cultures and way of thinking. They are fiercely independant. No one gave a rats ass for the region and they made it on their own, suddenly they are oil rich and everyone wants to be their friends... you think they are idiots?

-W.

[cigar no baka]

Hmm perhaps an analyst that might actually understand the nuances of the region. This is actually the feelings of many Middle Eastern States. The thing that people in the west fail to percieve is that "forcing" democracy on the region will never work. They don't like people meddling in their personal business. They are also keenly aware that the U.S. is only interested in the oil and democracy makes a good excuse. They resent that, and this is a region with a long history of "an eye for an eye". The region is in many ways very young in the context of the "modern world".

Saudi Arabia was a bunch of tribes just over 100 years ago. I mean seriously, the cultures there haveuch a completely different history to the west that people over here just don't get it. There is a rich history as well as a bloody one in that region and all of it combined makes it very different to our cultures and way of thinking. They are fiercely independant. No one gave a rats ass for the region and they made it on their own, suddenly they are oil rich and everyone wants to be their friends... you think they are idiots?

-W.

This gives us every reason to find alternative energy sources to oil. Imagine a day where oil is worth $2 a barrel for certain industrial uses, and all cars run on fuel cells, batteries, etc and we get our energy from sources other than oil. It will happen one day, it may not be in our lifetimes though. Then they can sell their oil for $2 per barrel and run their own lives. I can't wait for both to happen.

[Monk]

This gives us every reason to find alternative energy sources to oil. Imagine a day where oil is worth $2 a barrel for certain industrial uses, and all cars run on fuel cells, batteries, etc and we get our energy from sources other than oil. It will happen one day, it may not be in our lifetimes though. Then they can sell their oil for $2 per barrel and run their own lives. I can't wait for both to happen.

Absolutely! Not to mention fossil fuels and the pollution problems. The problem is that industry doesn't want to use those alternatives, doesn't want to invest the money, and the oil industries control a hell of a lot. Wind is a viable option, hybrid cars, solar power, all things that can help bring Winter back to Canada . Seriously, the planet is screwed and we are all going to be the big losers in this.

-W.

[cigar no baka]

Absolutely! Not to mention fossil fuels and the pollution problems. The problem is that industry doesn't want to use those alternatives, doesn't want to invest the money, and the oil industries control a hell of a lot. Wind is a viable option, hybrid cars, solar power, all things that can help bring Winter back to Canada . Seriously, the planet is screwed and we are all going to be the big losers in this.

-W.

Well, I bet some day soon (next 50 years or so), cold fusion is going to be a reality, and our energy needs will be met. Just come home, plug your fuel cell car into that big plug in the garage, and your car is ready to go every morning!! Yay, don't need gas any more, oil prices will drop into the bucket, and all those countries that have oil megabucks won't have them anymore.

[jiaguy]

Well, I bet some day soon (next 50 years or so), cold fusion is going to be a reality, and our energy needs will be met. Just come home, plug your fuel cell car into that big plug in the garage, and your car is ready to go every morning!! Yay, don't need gas any more, oil prices will drop into the bucket, and all those countries that have oil megabucks won't have them anymore.

Unfortunately i don't think cold fusion works. but hot fusion does and they are building the first reactor in France, if it works well than that is nuclear wasteless energy.

But yeah indeed the middle is keeping quiet...Winston Churchill once said something of that as I am sure you are all aware.

[Cabaiguan Juan]

Absolutely! Not to mention fossil fuels and the pollution problems. The problem is that industry doesn't want to use those alternatives, doesn't want to invest the money, and the oil industries control a hell of a lot. Wind is a viable option, hybrid cars, solar power, all things that can help bring Winter back to Canada . Seriously, the planet is screwed and we are all going to be the big losers in this.

-W.

and winter back to DC! I think the middle east could be a great place to decomission the worlds nuclear bombs, and by decomission i mean detonate. Kind of like whipping the chaulk board clean and starting over.

[Monk]

and winter back to DC! I think the middle east could be a great place to decomission the worlds nuclear bombs, and by decomission i mean detonate. Kind of like whipping the chaulk board clean and starting over.

Same argument would be made by some about the U.S.A. I might point out.



-W.