Evolution...not really political, maybe controversial

[DPB]

I am basing my argument on what scientific evidence has shown us not what someone told me.We do know for sure what happened up to a point,then it goes into the whole quantum theory of multiverses before the big bang,Everything works out mathematically just we cant comprehend the answer even though it works out on paper .all i am saying god does not.because science does not have the answer now doesnt mean it wont 100 years from now.I am not afraid of not knowing its ok for me,for one day we will know or we wont know and thats ok also.But i will not use 1st century fairy tales in its place.I also agree with you.To try and have a religious person try to understand this you cant go to the last chapter in the book you have to teach them to read first .We only know what information we have been exposed to.growing up in a family that is totally religious of course thats all they will know and it will be hard to try to convince them otherwise until you lay out all the evidence and facts and try to explain slowly.I apologize if it seems like i was arguing with you. i was trying to get my point across.And I understand yours.
I also do not really care what people do in the privacy of their own homes,pray to whoever you want to. Just dont push your personal belief system into politics and policies that will effect my life.and when i say "your" i dont mean you personally just those who wish to do the above. Even though i dont care about what people do in private. religion does effect public policy and that bothers me.
You are correct that this was about evolution and there are plenty of things to discuss on that alone but once religion "creationism" ID or whatever got involved then yes God is brought into this conversation and if some feel god started the whole thing then i will debate that.If evolution will be discussed then lets stick to that and what the evidence shows us.
If you really want to learn more on this there are plenty of books in the bookstore on evolution that can be read just go to the earth science section and have a ball.Not sure which books? www.richarddawkins.net would be a good start to check out.
I am also very open minded. If you can prove to me through scientific evidence enough evidence and facts that i can accept as true that a "god" exists then i will. right now there is no such evidence to do so.Science is not rigid its always changing as new evidence comes in .its great to see new discoveries to disprove old ones I have no problem being wrong if the evidence shows this.Its always great to see new ways at looking at things. monotheism or polytheism is not new, same old story. and the gaps that some try to fill are quickly closing.
Well i guess its like the old saying"its easier to convert a scientist in to believing in god then a religious person not to"

This type of debate can go on and on ..but thats what makes it fun.makes you think a lot harder about things also.
Also now that i have posted here i hope this doesn't effect discussions on cigars in other post and just because some of you may think differently than some other including myself doesn't mean we still cant be friends on the forums.
I look forward to discussing cigars with you all.
Take care
Doug

[ReV]

Again, I'm not trying to convince you anything about if there is or isn't a 'God', just stating what some people may believe about their 'God' and what would be required if said 'God' did exist... consider it a hypothetical situation. Anyrate, on the following two notes, i think its time to turn this topic into another controversial one::

PS Somebody should start a gay marriage thread ;)

dont push your personal belief system into politics and policies that will effect my life.

... i feel similarly on this topic, anyone else?



PS. DPB... have you read back to Hershey's posts? i think the two of you should get along great.

[DPB]

LOL I have read herseys post im sure he is a nice guy thats all i have to say about that.
As far as gay marriage, who cares.
again does not effect my life.let people do what they want just not my cup of tea.I like females, enough said.
Peace
Doug

[HersheyWalker]

DPB, please show some common courtesy and edit your posts with CAPITAL letters and proper spelling and grammer. We are all adults here and although your mental faculties are accustom and comfortable processing 'teen' speak, the rest of us aren't. So once again, post proper.

As an update, I've been spending a lot of time lately studying for a CSET exam I have this saturday, and haven't been able to post in this thread. I'm just letting you all know that I have a lot to say with regard to almost every new post, and I'll be on it in a two weeks or so.

In the mean time, carry on

[ReV]

looking foward to it buddy, i think i'll step to the side and let you and DPB have an all out yelling match since it appears the two of you are on opposite ends of this debate and i find myself somewhere in the middle...

[DPB]

Nice sarcasm.product of the weak mind
good luck with the cset exam just hope you dont push your pseudo science on your students.
Sorry if i didnt have my spell check on.and i am not the best writer pardon me for that.
As far as teen speak lol thats a good one considering how religion treats everyone like scared little children,and sometimes you have to try to speak simple for simple people.dont take this as an insult just the way it seems. As far as my grammar yup its not the best but you still can read it cant you?
again sorry if you cant or if its to difficult to read then i apologize.
This is such a tired drawn out thread . been beaten like a dead horse here and all over the net if you still wish to engage then go ahead,if you want answers read a book but please read a book thats offers science not pseudo-science.
oh look no capitalizing. I said nothing bad about you personally yet,but you attack me . talk about acting like an adult
ah yes please o wise one tell us in your "god" speak how the wonderful yahweh or whatever god ,deity, goddess, supernatural omnimpotent being , creator ,intelligent designer(because everything is so intelligently designed)who made the universe and the earth all for us .because he cares ,cares so much the we should worship and pray to it.
And then i can tell you about bigfoot , loch ness monsters and unicorns and fairies.but now you will probably tell us some pseudo science on how science is wrong and your science is right with out any evidence to prove so .. so here we go ..enjoy.Sounds like from your previous posts that you have never read any of the books that argue against your position.
I will not continue on this its just not worth it to me.i did say in the beginning i was a lurker on this forum just to check out cigars i did decide to post on this thread because it is a subject i enjoy, but i will not get into a screaming match with someone who will never change his or her mind.So i will go back to lurking here or maybe not.I know you will respond to my sarcasm with more sarcasm.I will read it as i know who it is coming from and take it as such. i apologize that some of you couldnt see where i was coming from but thats ok .I will work on my writing skills and practice.try to be more economic in my points.I will say it again there are plenty of knowledge out there written by very well qualified people on evolution be it biology or cosmology.Either at the library or the book store. like i posted before www.richarddawkins.net is a great place to start if you dont know who he is look him up or just go to the site.
Take care enjoy
peace
doug
it has become almost a cliche to remark that nobody boasts of ignorance of literature,but it is socially acceptable to boast ignorance of science

[Kenyth]

Ah sarcasm, the product of a weak mind ..

To quote that supposedly Freudian phrase properly it's "Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind."

I cannot find this particular quote by him in any famous quote literature though. The closest I can find is, "Sarcasm: the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded." I'm guessing though the phrase is attributed to him, it has been reworded and twisted to suit someone elses purpose. It's the fate of many famous quotes.

But from your posting style, I'm guessing you didn't know any of that and that you snagged it from the cheesy sci-fi movie, "Lost in Space" where the evil Dr. Smith said it.

[DPB]

hi ken actually i took it out because i felt it wasnt needed but i put it back kind of so people know what your posting about, yes i heard it from some where but wasnt sure i like the saying so i used it , sorry if it was out of quote.
Again how may times do i have to say i apologize for my posting skills i do not spend all day behind a computer. I like to read and usually have conversations with someone in front of me.Man i feel like i am getting raped lol
I am not going to argue with you on how i post i know its not the best and thank you for bringing it up again , like i said i will practice on my grammar and posting skills thank you for your criticism.
yes i do enjoy science fiction films. I love non fiction books even more especially popular science .
feels good to be around such smart people.and i thank you for your sarcasm.
doug

[DPB]

from herseys last post "I'll be on it in a two weeks or so."
Talk about proper grammar?