Barry and Sid don't see it that way - they think they've won. They honestly believe this community really doesn't mind the way Barry and Sid act. They couldn't be more wrong...

Okay - yep - I admit it. I've been following Sid around and making comments. Not that it isn't obvious. But a taste of your own medicine is very bitter, isn't it Sid. Sid tells me my frienship with him is NOW over because I didn't choose his side in this. C'mon, Sid - you really mean that???

As far as who requested the ban poll - Hex and the people who requested it know who requested the ban poll. I think some are connecting the non-existent dots to conclude who may have requested that poll. Well - I can connect non-existent dots as well as others. I'm telling you - it's just as likely that Sid and Barry requested that poll as it is that Bill and I requested it. Then we can follow the non-existent dots to the "why" part - well - isn't that obvious? Jeez - both Sid and Barry are gloating about the "victory".

I'm not trying to draw sides in this dust up. I'm not one to try and draw sides in any dust up. If I have a valid argument, reasonable people will see that I have a valid argument. This is a valid argument. My argument keeps getting lost in Bills posts here - because he's reacting very passionately to what others are saying. The argument is no less valid. Barry is over the top in his comments. They are devisive. Probably very appropriate for a political community where devisiveness is a way of life - but not on this cigar board and NOT in this community, Those comments need to be toned down. They needed to be toned down when Barry first came here (there was talk of a ban poll then) and they need to be toned down now (there was a ban poll started). The community has VERY CLEARLY said they like Barry but they do not like Barry's comments and actions. No one in this ban poll has said, "say what you want, Barry - those other guys are full of manure". Your name is not Lincoln Rockwell and no one has given you license to act like a klan member - spouting off your hateful rhetoric.

Sid needs to be a part of the community - not part of being devisive in the community. Sid - this board belongs to Hex and it's members - not to you and Barry. This in not your personal soapbox. And you can recruit as many minions as you want - sway people to your side because you're a nice guy - you're not going to "win" if you choose an argument that's not popular. Barry's rants are not popular. As I said some time ago, Sid - use your influence with Sid to have him tone it down. And I asked you this in private LONG before this blew up like it did. I saw it coming - and it's here. Now deal with it like a grown man - not like a child,