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[ggiese]

My Great Grandparents came from Germany and Ireland. My Grandpa worked in the coal mines in Southern Missouri when he was 8. He was heavily involved in organizing labor in the US, and risked his life on many occassion to improve things in this Country for everyone. I saw the scar on the back of his neck, where the bullet, fired by the Police who were on the "company" payroll, was removed.
It makes me sick when people talk so cavalierly about going back to the times that big companies payed shit to people who worked for them for 30yrs, if they lived that long, only to die in the street because they didn't make enough money to save any.

Why don't you ask your Grandparents, or whichever relative it was that emmigrated to the US, exactly what the times were like. Ask them how many people they knew that didn't "make" it. Find out how many people got sick and lost that job they worked at for 15hrs a day, and just disappeared after.

Your ancestors wanted better for you, don't you want better for your children?

We have a lot of problems in this Country. Illegal immigration isn't the worst, but it exacerbates all the others.


That sign is funny, but my wife is legal and still makes a tasty burrito.

...and this is just what kills me about this generation. Our great grandparents and grandparents - and even my parents worked their asses off to grab a piece of the pie. I've worked hard all of my life to grab mine - although I have to admit, I didn't work at heavy construction jobs most of my life like my father did.

And then comes the current generation. It's beneath them to work cutting grass, washing dishes, busing tables, working in a car wash - in general, getting their hands dirty... Why? Because that's what "losers" do. Yet - if I had to provide for my family I'd swim across a river and sneak into a place that would allow me to make a living doing anything if I couldn't provide for my family near my home. That's just what you do for your family, right?

When I was growing up, it was not a bad thing to work in a restaurant - or mow lawns - or clean horse stables. It was a way of making money - I don't care how much it paid, it paid cash... And now those jobs aren't good enough for our youth???

In my view - our kids are lazy because we've provided so well for them. They feel they don't have to work hard because it's there... WTF is wrong with this picture???

[Shagaroo]

When I was growing up, it was not a bad thing to work in a restaurant - or mow lawns - or clean horse stables. It was a way of making money - I don't care how much it paid, it paid cash... And now those jobs aren't good enough for our youth???

When I was 18, summer time before going off to school, I worked for a moving company. I was the grunt doing the hardest work because I was new. Sitting with the gear shift up my ass because I wasn't good enough for a seat in the cab, 16 hour days. I made $7.50/hr starting and was up to $8.50/hr after a month probabtion period. If I wasn't going off to school I could have been up to $9.50/hr after 6 months. Today, same company, all the grunt crews are illegals, $3.50/hr off the books and that's all the time, not for a probationary month. The drivers are legals or Americans and that's it. It's not that people think they are too good for a job, it's they can't live off what they will get paid because illegals work for nothing and live 20 to a house and do nothing but drink in the yard or work. There is no logical argument that makes it ok.

[cigar no baka]

When I was 18, summer time before going off to school, I worked for a moving company. I was the grunt doing the hardest work because I was new. Sitting with the gear shift up my ass because I wasn't good enough for a seat in the cab, 16 hour days. I made $7.50/hr starting and was up to $8.50/hr after a month probabtion period. If I wasn't going off to school I could have been up to $9.50/hr after 6 months. Today, same company, all the grunt crews are illegals, $3.50/hr off the books and that's all the time, not for a probationary month. The drivers are legals or Americans and that's it. It's not that people think they are too good for a job, it's they can't live off what they will get paid because illegals work for nothing and live 20 to a house and do nothing but drink in the yard or work. There is no logical argument that makes it ok.

I'm with you guys. I just graduated from college in 1988, but along the way, I had a paper route, mowed a shitload of lawns, sacked groceries and worked for UPS unloading trucks during the graveyard shift, which was backbreaking work. I just cant fucking believe that kids today won't take jobs like this and put some hard work into their lives. Seems to me that illegals do most of the work I did as a kid less than 20 years ago.

[ggiese]

When I was 18, summer time before going off to school, I worked for a moving company. I was the grunt doing the hardest work because I was new. Sitting with the gear shift up my ass because I wasn't good enough for a seat in the cab, 16 hour days. I made $7.50/hr starting and was up to $8.50/hr after a month probabtion period. If I wasn't going off to school I could have been up to $9.50/hr after 6 months. Today, same company, all the grunt crews are illegals, $3.50/hr off the books and that's all the time, not for a probationary month. The drivers are legals or Americans and that's it. It's not that people think they are too good for a job, it's they can't live off what they will get paid because illegals work for nothing and live 20 to a house and do nothing but drink in the yard or work. There is no logical argument that makes it ok.

My 15 yr. old son complains about needed money. I give my kid my old lawnmower, which (after being fixed up by me so he could use it) worked perfectly well. He looks at me like I'm crazy and says, "never mind..." He could have easily charged $20-30 per lawn in my neighborhood and cut 5 - 6 lawns within a few blocks of my house each week. $100-180 per week for about 10-12 hours does not equate to $3.50/hr. While he couldn't necessarily live on that wage, he certainly could have used the money. But he'd rather sit watching TV... And he's not the only one I see like that...

When I first moved into my neighborhood about 20 yrs ago or so I used to have kids (multiple) at my door weekly asking if I wanted them to cut my lawn. It's now been at least 10 years since I've had one stop by... And I've NEVER had anyone stop by asking to shovel my driveway after a snow storm - I'd GLADLY pay them $30.00 to do that, for an hours worth of work...

Nope - in my experience (limited as it is), todays youth expects to make the big bucks without the necessary sweat...

[Shagaroo]

My 15 yr. old son complains about needed money. I give my kid my old lawnmower, which (after being fixed up by me so he could use it) worked perfectly well. He looks at me like I'm crazy and says, "never mind..." He could have easily charged $20-30 per lawn in my neighborhood and cut 5 - 6 lawns within a few blocks of my house each week. $100-180 per week for about 10-12 hours does not equate to $3.50/hr. While he couldn't necessarily live on that wage, he certainly could have used the money. But he'd rather sit watching TV... And he's not the only one I see like that...

When I first moved into my neighborhood about 20 yrs ago or so I used to have kids (multiple) at my door weekly asking if I wanted them to cut my lawn. It's now been at least 10 years since I've had one stop by... And I've NEVER had anyone stop by asking to shovel my driveway after a snow storm - I'd GLADLY pay them $30.00 to do that, for an hours worth of work...

Nope - in my experience (limited as it is), todays youth expects to make the big bucks without the necessary sweat...

Geez... My kid is 10 and he already works for his cash. I don't mean making up his bed and stuff either. Yard work and stuff at our house and my parents house. Him and his buddy are already trying to figure out a job they can do to start saving up for Space Camp in 3 years. And I had teenagers in a bid war to cut my yard before I got my riding mower a couple years ago. I'm not use to kids not understanding work.

[SuperChuck]

Geez... My kid is 10 and he already works for his cash. I don't mean making up his bed and stuff either. Yard work and stuff at our house and my parents house. Him and his buddy are already trying to figure out a job they can do to start saving up for Space Camp in 3 years. And I had teenagers in a bid war to cut my yard before I got my riding mower a couple years ago. I'm not use to kids not understanding work.

You need to move out to ultrayuppieland... Kids don't work, they just get whatever their rich little hearts desire.

When I was a wee lad, I really, really wanted a Sega Master System. It was $100, came with 2 controllers, the light gun, and 2 games. My parents' response? Save up and you can get one. So I did. And I was filled with hours of Hang On Goodness...

A few years ago, the PS2 came out at $300, which included the box and a single controller, no games. And every damn last yuppie kid had one right away. Parents were clawing and biting and paying hundred of dollars over retail so little Timmy wouldn't have to be the only kid in town with LAST year's playstation.

Hell, if the Walmart didn't have any PS2s when my parents went, I'd get a Speak and Spell instead. My aunt would probably get one of those "16 great arcade games you've never heard of" systems and claim it's the same damn thing.

[SmokinDVM]

You need to move out to ultrayuppieland... Kids don't work, they just get whatever their rich little hearts desire.

When I was a wee lad, I really, really wanted a Sega Master System. It was $100, came with 2 controllers, the light gun, and 2 games. My parents' response? Save up and you can get one. So I did. And I was filled with hours of Hang On Goodness...

A few years ago, the PS2 came out at $300, which included the box and a single controller, no games. And every damn last yuppie kid had one right away. Parents were clawing and biting and paying hundred of dollars over retail so little Timmy wouldn't have to be the only kid in town with LAST year's playstation.

Hell, if the Walmart didn't have any PS2s when my parents went, I'd get a Speak and Spell instead. My aunt would probably get one of those "16 great arcade games you've never heard of" systems and claim it's the same damn thing.

It seems as if some people want to lower the standard of living in the US just because they have a deep seated resentment towards people who have/had more than they do.

Sega Master System? You are a young pup, aren't you?

[Shagaroo]

You need to move out to ultrayuppieland... Kids don't work, they just get whatever their rich little hearts desire.

It must be a north south thing. I live about 2 feet from where the 10+ million dollar homes on Lake Lanier start and they are filled with yuppies. Kids still have to work and a super nice new ride is a Honda Civic or something and more often than not the kids have to help pay for it. Of course, they do work, when they can find someplace that hasn't hired all illegals working for slave wages.

[SmokinDVM]

It must be a north south thing. I live about 2 feet from where the 10+ million dollar homes on Lake Lanier start and they are filled with yuppies. Kids still have to work and a super nice new ride is a Honda Civic or something and more often than not the kids have to help pay for it. Of course, they do work, when they can find someplace that hasn't hired all illegals working for slave wages.

You're right.
Wanting or not wanting to work is a moot point if there aren't any jobs not already filled by, or reserved for, illegals.