SmokinDVM Ban Poll

[CoventryCat86]

again,bill...it's not that big a deal to me...i'm sorry i didn't quote the article when i posted it....mea culpa,mea culpa......trust me..it was there..i c/p it....beyond that..it's a really old story...a lot like your constant badgering...

Way to go Sid, this post is in the category of:

"I'm sorry but you're still an asshole."

And again, it is a big deal when you post something political and controversial as a fact and when you're asked to back it up you don't reply. You claimed the major parties were engaging in a smear campaign against Friedman and no one could find any evidence of that.

[ggiese]

Way to go Sid, this post is in the category of:

"I'm sorry but you're still an asshole."

And again, it is a big deal when you post something political and controversial as a fact and when you're asked to back it up you don't reply. You claimed the major parties were engaging in a smear campaign against Friedman and no one could find any evidence of that.

Quiet, Bill - you're distracting Sid from ignoring us. Why do you have to keep bringing up his faux pas? So what - he said it and can't back it up - it's true - you just gotta trust him - it's true. And if it isn't, the thread will die in a few days and we can all forget about it, for cripes sake. Why are you CONSTANTLY confusing the issue with the facts?

Besides - Sid's busy putting a ban poll together for you and I because we threatened somewhere on this board - I don't know where - but somewhere - to have him do a ban poll for us - I think - at least that's what he said. Didn't he??? Yeah - I think he did... Somewhere... Or was that you that said something. Maybe it was Barry... No - I think it was Sid - yeah - it was Sid - and it was a threat!!! I'm sure of it!!!

Oh - and also - Sid's chasing asshats in another thread. You're so yesterday...

[designwise1]

I vote we give Bill and Barry each a big shiny trophy 'cause they're both winners. With a gold star, too.

Oh, and by the way... no ban!!!




Edit: to see why I'm in such a generous mood... read today's smokes column.

<grin>

[Shelby07]

I vote we give Bill and Barry each a big shiny trophy 'cause they're both winners. With a gold star, too.

Why don't all you guys just kiss and make up? No one's gonna ban any of you. This whole thing is childish. No one is winning. You are past the point where anyone can come out a winner.

Jesus! Didn't you guys used to like each other?

[WOXOF]

I don't really agree with Barry's views on politics and religion or the way he reacts to people who have different opinions. That being said, I don't get my panties in a wad about it either. He keeps it in the appropriate forum and has proven to be a BOTL and has given good advice to members. I don't come here for political or spiritual advice and I usually stay out of the politcs forum unless I need a good laugh.

I have no problem with him -- no ban.

[ashauler]

I was hesitant to post to this thread, being a new member and all, so consequently I will not vote. I would just like to say that I have read, and benefitted from, posts from ALL of the involved parties to this dispute. All qualify as BOTL imho, so any attempt to ban any of you from a CIGAR board for expressing opposing political beliefs is simply misguided. It seems to me that enough offensive, personal attacks have been exchanged by all...tit for tat!! If these kinds of arguments are unavoidable, the politics forum would seem to be the appropriate place for them.

Some apologies have already been exchanged.....can't ya'll just move on and just agree to disagree?

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
Oh and I'm sorry Barry that I wished you bodily harm, as Ken stated, that was over the top.

In the spirit of reciprocity, avatar changed.(SmokinDVM)


BTW, I am a Libertarian so I would not support any type of censorship, especially in a forum designed for people to air their beliefs. Physical threats don't qualify as a belief, imho, nor does name-calling!! That is more like playground stuff......I am rubber you are glue, etc,etc.

[Shelby07]

Look... It's not about who you agree or disagree with politically. I don't really care about Barry's political views... or Bill's... or Sid's... or George's...

What I care about is Barry... and Bill... and Sid... And George...

All are terrific guys. None of them are assholes, or dumb shits, or fucktards,

Politics is a profession, nothing more. Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen. No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good. They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes. Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do. Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories. I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember... the vast majority of them being just plain ugly. No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents. Then in the last 5 seconds it's "I won't do that... vote for me!" It's all horse shit. And it seems they serve no useful purpose other than to get people so heated up about one candidate that they vote for the opponent.

Does anyone actually believe that any of these vultures are their saviors?? Let's quit beating up people that we consider friends in the name of these assholes, dumb shits and fucktards. They all lie, they all spin the truth, and none of them are in it because of some overriding desire to save the world. They are highly paid placeholders who can do nothing but what they are told to do by their political party. And the only thing I "hate" is when you guys go for blood to defend these fucking so called heros.

So step back and take a look at what the pros are doing to us. The vote is one of the only voices offered to the general populace in this country. Once the vote is over, the direction of the country is in the hands of those we vote into office and those who pull their strings... and we can't do anything about it until the next election. The fear of losing your vote in the next election is the only thing that keeps these assholes in check. That's how the system was designed and that's how it works. So get the facts, interpret them in your own way as best you can, understand what the party stands for and go vote your own conscience. That's how we are heard in our political system, not by friends shouting insults at each other on an internet web site.

And for God sake... get it into your head that there are lots of great people out there who are going to see it differently!

[bigpoppapuff]

Look... It's not about who you agree or disagree with politically. I don't really care about Barry's political views... or Bill's... or Sid's... or George's...

What I care about is Barry... and Bill... and Sid... And George...

All are terrific guys. None of them are assholes, or dumb shits, or fucktards,

Politics is a profession, nothing more. Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen. No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good. They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes. Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do. Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories. I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember... the vast majority of them being just plain ugly. No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents. Then in the last 5 seconds it's "I won't do that... vote for me!" It's all horse shit. And it seems they serve no useful purpose other than to get people so heated up about one candidate that they vote for the opponent.

Does anyone actually believe that any of these vultures are their saviors?? Let's quit beating up people that we consider friends in the name of these assholes, dumb shits and fucktards. They all lie, they all spin the truth, and none of them are in it because of some overriding desire to save the world. They are highly paid placeholders who can do nothing but what they are told to do by their political party. And the only thing I "hate" is when you guys go for blood to defend these fucking so called heros.

So step back and take a look at what the pros are doing to us. The vote is one of the only voices offered to the general populace in this country. Once the vote is over, the direction of the country is in the hands of those we vote into office and those who pull their strings... and we can't do anything about it until the next election. The fear of losing your vote in the next election is the only thing that keeps these assholes in check. That's how the system was designed and that's how it works. So get the facts, interpret them in your own way as best you can, understand what the party stands for and go vote your own conscience. That's how we are heard in our political system, not by friends shouting insults at each other on an internet web site.

And for God sake... get it into your head that there are lots of great people out there who are going to see it differently!

this makes too much sense,mark......i think you should be BAN!!!...

[CoventryCat86]

Politics is a profession, nothing more. Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen. No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good. They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes. Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do. Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories. I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember... the vast majority of them being just plain ugly. No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents. Then in the last 5 seconds it's "I won't do that... vote for me!" It's all horse shit. And it seems they serve no useful purpose other than to get people so heated up about one candidate that they vote for the opponent.

Does anyone actually believe that any of these vultures are their saviors?? Let's quit beating up people that we consider friends in the name of these assholes, dumb shits and fucktards. They all lie, they all spin the truth, and none of them are in it because of some overriding desire to save the world. They are highly paid placeholders who can do nothing but what they are told to do by their political party. And the only thing I "hate" is when you guys go for blood to defend these fucking so called heros.

So step back and take a look at what the pros are doing to us. The vote is one of the only voices offered to the general populace in this country. Once the vote is over, the direction of the country is in the hands of those we vote into office and those who pull their strings... and we can't do anything about it until the next election. The fear of losing your vote in the next election is the only thing that keeps these assholes in check. That's how the system was designed and that's how it works. So get the facts, interpret them in your own way as best you can, understand what the party stands for and go vote your own conscience. That's how we are heard in our political system, not by friends shouting insults at each other on an internet web site.

And for God sake... get it into your head that there are lots of great people out there who are going to see it differently!

You can't be serious with this post are you? Let's look at each statement spearately:

Politics is a profession, nothing more.

Absolutely wrong.

Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen.

Huh?

No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good.

Now you're just plain being stupid....

They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes.

Another ridiculous statement.

Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do.

Once again, a completely false statement.

Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories.

This one is completely absurd, now you're starting to make me laugh!

I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember...

That's probably because you live in an area with competitive races which is expected. People who live in areas where there are no competitive contests are seeing far less than they evr have.

the vast majority of them being just plain ugly.

Well, there's a reason for that and if you'd like me to explain it, I will. In short, while people howl and whine about "negative campaigning," studies have proven it works, it's kind of like why they build casinos all over the world. The key is it should be done by taking issue with a candidates voting record or platform and not with personal attacks.

No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents.

Once again, completely FALSE, "no one" huh? C'mon, you're grossly exaggerating, don't you think?

It's all horse shit.

No it's not, the candidates are paying to get their message out. If you were the least bit honest with yourself, you'd admit you've learned something from some of the political advertising you've been exposed to over the years.

I dunno Shelby, you come across as not being grounded in reality with this post.