SmokinDVM Ban Poll

[Shelby07]

I vote we give Bill and Barry each a big shiny trophy 'cause they're both winners. With a gold star, too.

Why don't all you guys just kiss and make up? No one's gonna ban any of you. This whole thing is childish. No one is winning. You are past the point where anyone can come out a winner.

Jesus! Didn't you guys used to like each other?

[WOXOF]

I don't really agree with Barry's views on politics and religion or the way he reacts to people who have different opinions. That being said, I don't get my panties in a wad about it either. He keeps it in the appropriate forum and has proven to be a BOTL and has given good advice to members. I don't come here for political or spiritual advice and I usually stay out of the politcs forum unless I need a good laugh.

I have no problem with him -- no ban.

[ashauler]

I was hesitant to post to this thread, being a new member and all, so consequently I will not vote. I would just like to say that I have read, and benefitted from, posts from ALL of the involved parties to this dispute. All qualify as BOTL imho, so any attempt to ban any of you from a CIGAR board for expressing opposing political beliefs is simply misguided. It seems to me that enough offensive, personal attacks have been exchanged by all...tit for tat!! If these kinds of arguments are unavoidable, the politics forum would seem to be the appropriate place for them.

Some apologies have already been exchanged.....can't ya'll just move on and just agree to disagree?

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Originally Posted by CoventryCat86 View Post
Oh and I'm sorry Barry that I wished you bodily harm, as Ken stated, that was over the top.

In the spirit of reciprocity, avatar changed.(SmokinDVM)


BTW, I am a Libertarian so I would not support any type of censorship, especially in a forum designed for people to air their beliefs. Physical threats don't qualify as a belief, imho, nor does name-calling!! That is more like playground stuff......I am rubber you are glue, etc,etc.

[Shelby07]

Look... It's not about who you agree or disagree with politically. I don't really care about Barry's political views... or Bill's... or Sid's... or George's...

What I care about is Barry... and Bill... and Sid... And George...

All are terrific guys. None of them are assholes, or dumb shits, or fucktards,

Politics is a profession, nothing more. Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen. No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good. They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes. Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do. Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories. I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember... the vast majority of them being just plain ugly. No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents. Then in the last 5 seconds it's "I won't do that... vote for me!" It's all horse shit. And it seems they serve no useful purpose other than to get people so heated up about one candidate that they vote for the opponent.

Does anyone actually believe that any of these vultures are their saviors?? Let's quit beating up people that we consider friends in the name of these assholes, dumb shits and fucktards. They all lie, they all spin the truth, and none of them are in it because of some overriding desire to save the world. They are highly paid placeholders who can do nothing but what they are told to do by their political party. And the only thing I "hate" is when you guys go for blood to defend these fucking so called heros.

So step back and take a look at what the pros are doing to us. The vote is one of the only voices offered to the general populace in this country. Once the vote is over, the direction of the country is in the hands of those we vote into office and those who pull their strings... and we can't do anything about it until the next election. The fear of losing your vote in the next election is the only thing that keeps these assholes in check. That's how the system was designed and that's how it works. So get the facts, interpret them in your own way as best you can, understand what the party stands for and go vote your own conscience. That's how we are heard in our political system, not by friends shouting insults at each other on an internet web site.

And for God sake... get it into your head that there are lots of great people out there who are going to see it differently!

[bigpoppapuff]

Look... It's not about who you agree or disagree with politically. I don't really care about Barry's political views... or Bill's... or Sid's... or George's...

What I care about is Barry... and Bill... and Sid... And George...

All are terrific guys. None of them are assholes, or dumb shits, or fucktards,

Politics is a profession, nothing more. Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen. No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good. They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes. Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do. Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories. I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember... the vast majority of them being just plain ugly. No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents. Then in the last 5 seconds it's "I won't do that... vote for me!" It's all horse shit. And it seems they serve no useful purpose other than to get people so heated up about one candidate that they vote for the opponent.

Does anyone actually believe that any of these vultures are their saviors?? Let's quit beating up people that we consider friends in the name of these assholes, dumb shits and fucktards. They all lie, they all spin the truth, and none of them are in it because of some overriding desire to save the world. They are highly paid placeholders who can do nothing but what they are told to do by their political party. And the only thing I "hate" is when you guys go for blood to defend these fucking so called heros.

So step back and take a look at what the pros are doing to us. The vote is one of the only voices offered to the general populace in this country. Once the vote is over, the direction of the country is in the hands of those we vote into office and those who pull their strings... and we can't do anything about it until the next election. The fear of losing your vote in the next election is the only thing that keeps these assholes in check. That's how the system was designed and that's how it works. So get the facts, interpret them in your own way as best you can, understand what the party stands for and go vote your own conscience. That's how we are heard in our political system, not by friends shouting insults at each other on an internet web site.

And for God sake... get it into your head that there are lots of great people out there who are going to see it differently!

this makes too much sense,mark......i think you should be BAN!!!...

[Shelby07]

this makes too much sense,mark......i think you should be BAN!!!...

I'm sorry

[CoventryCat86]

Politics is a profession, nothing more. Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen. No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good. They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes. Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do. Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories. I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember... the vast majority of them being just plain ugly. No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents. Then in the last 5 seconds it's "I won't do that... vote for me!" It's all horse shit. And it seems they serve no useful purpose other than to get people so heated up about one candidate that they vote for the opponent.

Does anyone actually believe that any of these vultures are their saviors?? Let's quit beating up people that we consider friends in the name of these assholes, dumb shits and fucktards. They all lie, they all spin the truth, and none of them are in it because of some overriding desire to save the world. They are highly paid placeholders who can do nothing but what they are told to do by their political party. And the only thing I "hate" is when you guys go for blood to defend these fucking so called heros.

So step back and take a look at what the pros are doing to us. The vote is one of the only voices offered to the general populace in this country. Once the vote is over, the direction of the country is in the hands of those we vote into office and those who pull their strings... and we can't do anything about it until the next election. The fear of losing your vote in the next election is the only thing that keeps these assholes in check. That's how the system was designed and that's how it works. So get the facts, interpret them in your own way as best you can, understand what the party stands for and go vote your own conscience. That's how we are heard in our political system, not by friends shouting insults at each other on an internet web site.

And for God sake... get it into your head that there are lots of great people out there who are going to see it differently!

You can't be serious with this post are you? Let's look at each statement spearately:

Politics is a profession, nothing more.

Absolutely wrong.

Politicians and their machines are getting to the level of used car salesmen.

Huh?

No one gets to higher office because of their overriding desire to do good.

Now you're just plain being stupid....

They get there because of their perceived ability by their party fat cats to get votes.

Another ridiculous statement.

Political spinners and talking heads are getting everyone all heated up for no one but their own benefit. After all, it's what they get paid to do.

Once again, a completely false statement.

Political stances are nothing more than 30 second snippets, venomous opinions by "journalists" and 2 minute "news" stories.

This one is completely absurd, now you're starting to make me laugh!

I have seen more political ads this mid term than I can ever remember...

That's probably because you live in an area with competitive races which is expected. People who live in areas where there are no competitive contests are seeing far less than they evr have.

the vast majority of them being just plain ugly.

Well, there's a reason for that and if you'd like me to explain it, I will. In short, while people howl and whine about "negative campaigning," studies have proven it works, it's kind of like why they build casinos all over the world. The key is it should be done by taking issue with a candidates voting record or platform and not with personal attacks.

No one talks about themselves, they just cut down their opponents.

Once again, completely FALSE, "no one" huh? C'mon, you're grossly exaggerating, don't you think?

It's all horse shit.

No it's not, the candidates are paying to get their message out. If you were the least bit honest with yourself, you'd admit you've learned something from some of the political advertising you've been exposed to over the years.

I dunno Shelby, you come across as not being grounded in reality with this post.

[bigpoppapuff]

the CC meltdown continues....bill...he's on your side...more sensible...but on your side...

you really need to relax...you're looking silly...

[bigpoppapuff]

bill...mark will be home a bit later..i'm sure he'll respond...in the meanwhile...relax...


i'm going to listen to some music from the 60's....maybe some kinky friedman and the texas jewboys......good old stuff..

[Lopaka]

I'm not voting, however I did mention something about this in July...

/soapbox

I know I'm going to piss off a few people however, screw it.

All these POS political posts coming on this board have NOTHING to do with cigars. I'm sick of seeing them. You want to post your political view, fine, go find a political board and post your views.

I'll quote Hex..

I'm not going to go and flat out ban these types of discussion unless they become a major problem. But I do ask that you use your judgment when making these posts. Ask yourself "How will this topic help us grow stronger as a community of Cigar Smokers?". Think before you post. [/COLOR]

Your political views whether right, left, up, down, over the hen who gives a crap…don't help us grow as a community.

If it helps us grow as a community, please post. However posting something as bait so you can spew your nonsense don't help the boards.

/off soapbox

Then people responded and said that it's in the right forum.

This was my response.

I'm not going to argue whether he is the best or worse. That's not my place. I'll allow the Historians to decide that later. However, last time I check this board is Cigarsmokers.com not letbashbushbecauseIhatehisgutsect.com

None of these political posts have anything to do with Cigars. They don't help the community. I know I'm pissing people off. However, I also know that there are people that are also not happy. If you want to have a political debate...then have one. However, the discussions here are not debates. They are bashing of other members because “they don't like my views and everyone who is a Rep/Con/Right are all neonazi BS.” Debate...then debate. Name calling...that's not a debate. That's 12 year old BS. Don't like my view, fine.

However, I'm the one that's asking what this BOARDS admin is asking...

What does it have to do to better the community.

I'm done.

And now look where we are. A banning poll. I admit that I almost stop coming to the board because of the all the political BS that was being posted. You may say that it was in the right forum but it did start to spill into some other spots on the boards. I said it once and I say it again...

If you want to have a political debate...then have one. However, the discussions here are not debates. They are bashing of other members because “they don't like my views and everyone who is a Rep/Con/Right are all neonazi BS.” Debate...then debate. Name calling...that's not a debate. That's 12 year old BS.

It's really a shame that we have come to this point on this board all because of one forum. I really wish people would just put down the guns, lite a nice smoke, and relax. I have no doubt that someone is going to bash this post, fine. Bash away.

[Shelby07]

You can't be serious with this post are you? ...

Now why would I post it if I didn't believe it, Bill