Middle east outcome

[SmokinDVM]

Just wondering...What could he do diplomacy wise to stabilize the Middle East and North Korea. Seems like that comment is baseless. How can you blame that mess on him. No President has ever stabilized those areas...Even Democrats.

It’s not what he can do now, or could have done, to stabilize those areas, he’s already screwed the pooch on this one, but rather what he’s done to further de-stabilize them.

Middle East: All of the terrorist groups in the area have been emboldened by the “blueprint” to a successful campaign against the mighty U.S. Military, that’s being played out in Iraq. This is directly related to the lack of planning, and in fact, dumbya’s refusal to listen to advisors, like Gen. Shinseki et. al, who described exactly the scenario being played out now. This is where other POTUS’s, even Bush 1, knew their limitations. They were able to use diplomacy, and measured military force, to maintain the balance, however tenuous.

North Korea: Crazy as Kim Jong is, even he realizes that, with the U.S. bogged down both militarily and economically in the Middle East, his rope has suddenly loosened considerably. Couple that with the International sentiment towards the U.S. at present, and this admins complete diplomatic inadequacy, and you’ve removed all real fear of any serious reprisals for his actions.

I'm asking for specifics here DVM.

I never said he didn’t stabilize the situations in the Middle East and North Korea, I said he further de-stabilized them. Is that specific enough?

Edit...Comparing Bush to Nazi's is one of the most outragous statments I've ever heard...I would like some specifics on that one too.

Let me see, where do I start?
How about the use of fear mongoring to gain support and power, and to remove certain Constitutional Rights? The Nazis used fear of the Communists, or alleged terrorist acts by them which were more likely perpetrated by the Nazis themselves, in the late ‘20’s and early ‘30’s to gain control of the German Government, and then began to remove civil rights using the “it’s necessary to provide protection” argument.
Now, replace communist with Al Qeada, and the fear mongering and excuses are all to familiar.
Or, how about how the corporatists in Germany used the extremists, ie. The Nazis, to rise to power? Seems an awful lot like the corporatists in the U.S. using the extremists, ie. The religious right whackos, to gain control of all three branches of the U.S. Government.
Now, do I really think the idiots in charge of the U.S. right now are as bad as the Nazis in Germany? No, not yet. But, if things continue as they are, they could get pretty effing bad. The neocons are all about fear. Fear of terrorists, the fear of god, the fear of gays, and the list could go on and on.

A question for any and all conservatives, neocons, republicans, whatever: Do you really live in such fear that you willingly give up your Rights, as stated in the Constitution, in exchange for whatever little protection you think you might get from their forfeiture?
I ask this because it seems to me that the Founders and Creators of that Constitution, those men who risked their lives to establish this Country as a haven of freedom, lived in a hell of a lot more danger than anyone living in this Country now. If they could possibly view the state things are in now, I believe they would be in utter disgust as to what complete pussies the citizens here have become. “Give me liberty, or give me death”, has been replaced with an irrational fear of the improbable.

Just for the record...I voted for Bush but he has disapointed me greatly. DVM seems to like name calling and finger pointing without any qualification of his statments.

The ineptitude and corruption of the present admin, and especially the present POTUS, is glaringly obvious to all who choose to view the facts. If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.

Had enough? Vote Democrat ‘06