OK Barry. Let's start off by saying that I I am sure there are lots of good things about you, but your method of discussion is not one of them. You talk in generalities and throw your opinions in as fact in just about every post. I'm not the first one on this board to say that.Originally Posted by SmokinDVM
Easy life?!
I happen to have known several survivors of the Holocaust, and ALL of them would be very nervous right now seeing the ease at which this Countries "citizens" give up their rights, both young punks who don't know better, and old farts who should.
So, before I'll take a lecture about how rough life can be from you, you'd better grow up enough to at least be in long pants.
Daddy put you through school?
If you really think he's doing a good job, well, then you really haven't been paying attention. Nothing anyone else can do about that.
But, it is really disgusting to see so many people willing to give up ANY rights for ANY reason, especially the pack of bullshit lies this bunch of shitstains have concocted.
Ask someone who was in Germany in the late '20's to early '30's, if it was no big deal to give up a few rights, so they could be "safer". It's a slippery slope, and we've already started down it. And how do you really know what interests them? Hell, they arrest people for having anti-dumbya bumper stickers on their cars. What's next? Do you really know?
Easy life? Maybe. But you don't know anything about WW, and neither do I. But to throw out the "fact" that he is naive because he hasn't gone through all of the "hard knocks" that you have is opinion, and may be just plain wrong. You don't know. I would ask if the comment was directed at WW or the reading audience. Are you trying to discuss or just shout louder than the other guy? Trying to intimidate someone into shutting up or lower their status by trying to bolster yours is hardly a recipe for intelligent discussion. I'm probably close to the same age as you are, if not a bit older than you. I also know several survivors of the Holocaust. Many worked for/with me in the past. I don't know one who would say that we are anywhere near the culture that existed in Germany before or during the war.
Giving up individual rights? You're damn right I'm scared of that. It appears that you are too, at least you profess to be, so I fail to understand how you can align yourself with the Democratic party. Hell, that's what their platform is all about. Take as much as they can from the general public and let the government control what's right and what's wrong. They seem to think they know what's best, and you seem to agree. I don't. When did all of this start? Does the phrase "The Great Society" envisioned by Lyndon Johnson ring a bell? For the past 40 years our "rights" have been going away so slowly as to be imperceptible, mostly lead, in my opinion, by well meaning Dems. But nobody's ever been convicted of a crime for displaying a "Bush" bumper sticker, and to suggest as much is irresponsible.
You know, I posted yesterday that I find it amazing that the news media has dropped the Iraq coverage since Israel and Lebanon have been fighting. I don't like the news media, I believe they are slanted in their reporting. But I will say that if there's something going on, especially if it puts this administration in a bad light, they're on it like stink on shit. What happened to the story about the bumper stickers? Apparantly there wasn't anything that warranted a follow up by the news media. There was lots of coverage about the Bush wire tapping policy, but where were all of the stories about citizens who were being victimized? There were none. The news picked up the whining from the dems and ran with it. But they couldn't find ONE person who actually had their rights violated. You can't tell me that even if there was the slightest stink of a story the news wouldn't have been all over it. You want to be informed from the news media? Look for the parts of their stories that are missing and make some intelligent deductions.
If you want to convince someone of your point of view it needs to be rational and well presented. You've done a lot of bitching about Bush and the Republicans, but I have seen nothing that even remotely inclined me to rethink an issue. We know, you HATE HATE HATE HATE him. Hate is a strong emotion and hardly lends itself to intelligent discussion. It's one that seems to run rampant in the democratic party, too. You attack and spout dribble that I've heard over and over from lots of Air America personalities (yes, I do listen whan I can) who hate Bush and are angry in the democratic party. They don't make sense to me and neither does someone who wants to echo their words. Why are they angry? Because they can't seem to win. You have been asked by others over and over to give concrete examples backing up your position. A link to web page equating the Bush family to Hitler? C'mon, you're smart enough to know that's bullshit. I can come up with just as many links opposing your views that are just as radical, and in the case of Hillary, quite a few more. I don't put credence in them either and I'm certainly not going to build an opinion or a fight around them.
It's hard to present things in a way that makes others think. And it's damn near impossible to listen to ANYONE who refuses to listen back. If you want to influence others, you should look at your tactics, They stink, You are one who seems to think you know everything there is to know about government, policies and social problems, and your answer is to kick out "Dumbya." I don't resent your positions, but I resent your all knowing bloviated dribble that you constantly pass off as "fact."
So either discuss things rationally or don't discuss them. Change my mind. I would welcome it. Tell me why I should vote for Hillary or Kerry or Gore. Give me some examples of their stated policies and directions that will help this country. But don't spout insults and demeaning retorts to another human being who demands as much respect as you do and deserves the respect to be taken seriously. I believe that WW is a citizen of this country and is entitles to his opinion also.
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